Cyber-bullying: Ulrich Berger, Wolfgang Maurer, Marc Scheloske and concerted Bullying in cooperation with EsoWatch.com (document No. 14) Since 2007, the Internet portal presents Esowatch.com the public as an informative and consumer protection serving "Wiki the irrational belief systems." The Esowatch self representation conceals the information that can be committed by the anonymous web-hosted pillory some serious crimes. The aim of this blog is to document violations of the law to tear the protective anonymity of authors and to the supporters scene transparent. In the opinion of the majority of Promed.Watch is responsible for Esowatch.com persons associated with the clubs Promed eV and Impfinformationen.de . is supported / was EsoWatch by important representatives of the Society for the Scientific Investigation of parasciences (GWUP) eV and the platform ScienceBlogs.de . Subsequent addition to this document: Who wants to learn quickly, which has since 20/01/2011 GWUP.WATCH a compressed chronology of systematic bullying ScienceBlogs.de bloggers and anonymous Esowatch.com- authors compared the medical journalist Bert Ehgartner: cyber-bullying at ScienceBlogs.de: Marc Scheloske and fanatical skeptics of GWUP and Esowatch.com Documentation No. 14: As journalist Bert Ehgartner as Blogger of the platform was ScienceBlogs.de weggemobbt. How ScienceBlogs.de EsoWatch.com and in parts cooperate unfair. Introduction: Please do not scare: This is the most comprehensive and longest documentation Promed.Watch has ever published. Anyone interested in the question, in which ideological, fanatical and sometimes hate-filled network EsoWatch.com involved, is the first time get a good idea, such as cyber-bullying à la EsoWatch.com works. The good news: The team EsoWatch.com is under massive pressure and it is not unlikely that the last remaining active members of the core team in the next three years to several years imprisonment (under § 186 and § 187 StGB ) be condemned. The chance of suspended sentences (requires cooperation), they forfeit right now in these weeks, as they continue their work and still in amazing naivete apparently still on the "final victory" believe or hope to be even more anonymous. The seriousness of the situation, no one seems to recognize. Ulrich Berger (Vienna University of Economics): purpose of this contribution was originally the active and systematic cooperation between the Internet-Pranger EsoWatch.com ( against the German Justice criminal investigation ) and leading representatives to document the skeptics Association GWUP eV. In document No. 14, it does not assume to Ulrich Berger , mathematicians and Wirtschaftswissenschafler at WU Wien, blogger for ScienceBlogs.de (critical thinking) and assessors in GWUP Board . Back in the Promed.Watch-News, 13/11/2010 a case study was presented showing how Ulrich Berger EsoWatch.com exploited for political purposes and abused. All for an active collaboration between Ulrich Berger and EsoWatch.com speaking clues and evidence to be the last in document No. 13 cyber crime: EsoWatch summarized and the Society for the Scientific Investigation of Para Sciences (GWUP) eV . Marc Scheloske (ScienceBlogs.de): The analysis of the data ( Thanks to a key informant of this blog! ) for document No. 14 was quickly clear that there is at least reasonable now to let other people and a new medium, get more attention. This refers to the Blogger platform ScienceBlogs.de that was the estimation of Promed.Watch under its editor in chief Marc Scheloske systematically infiltrated by supporters of the so-called skeptics movement and using Marc Scheloske (Information on the person: Imprint ScienceBlogs.de , Blog sonar and is abused Wissenswerkstatt ) for political and agitational purposes. Wolfgang Maurer (Department of Child and Adolescent Medicine Vienna): Wolfgang Maurer by the Department of Child and Adolescent Medicine in Vienna signatory of a is strange (!) Invocation of the web site Impfinformationen.de who has explicitly and positively position and taken to EsoWatch.com has now been deleted from the website. See in this matter, the following contributions to GWUP.WATCH and Promed.Watch . The site advertises Impfinformationen.de EsoWatch (Wiki, Blog, Forum). Promed.Watch There is no evidence of authorship by Wolfgang Maurer at EsoWatch.com. Promed.Watch considers it the basis of other evidence, however, very likely, Wolfgang Maurer EsoWatch.com that within the core team an active and important role. The editors of Impfinformationen.de includes Anja Ramstöck , wife of the alleged EsoWatch.com-publisher Klaus Ramstöck . begins here document 14:
Anja Ramstöck alias Anna Lena: "Does the sect to" Pos 200: wrote on 03/12/2008
Anja Ramstöck alias Anna Lena AntiVegan in the old forum:
"In an incredible action, with the help of U.S. and German bloggers bloggers ScienceBlogs it is We succeeded in that "of vaccination" Journalist Bert E. from the ScienceBlogs was thrown out. can google "Praise the Krankhiet" :-) * * A champagne corks pop success for the evidence-based science. " The following screenshots as usual
be enlarged by clicking . Anja Ramstöcks comment refers to the
Bert Ehgartner journalists, the bloggers at ScienceBlogs.de was here and was weggemobbt certain extent.
Pos 201: later one day - and apparently more euphoric always - requires Anja Ramstöck on 04.12.2008 in the old AntiVegan-forum:
"Yep! On the scientific side of his waste must not divulge any more. But we do not have a , and that seems to be difficult to leave the kick out of it. Polemical lies now have time to look for nothing in science pages. Is Esoseiten enough where they can spread their filth. " with" one hand we have "says Anja Ramstöck the
journalist Peter Artmann , who was also a blogger for ScienceBlogs.de and points of view, represented by the most bullying involved for ideological reasons, will not be tolerated. Peter Artmann ScienceBlogs.de later left on their own initiative, had ideological differences with the bullying and do nothing. Nevertheless, it is clear that Peter Artmann like Bert Ehgartner was mobbed by the same circle.
The language of an immature and childish naive adults The linguistic cadence Anja Ramstöck recalls here and elsewhere to an immature and naive adults. Words such as "evidence-based science" within the movement
skeptics often used inflated to insulting criticism and its own unfair and ideologically motivated behavior . Legitimize The choice of words
"evidence-based science" is first of all humbug. What is there is
"evidence-based medicine (EBM) . Concerns of EBM, it is not, critical journalists miss (here Bert Ehgartner criticism of aluminum-containing adjuvants in vaccines) to a muzzle. EBM representatives do not work anonymously initiate in secret and no cyber-bullying attacks.
EsoWatch.com & Co., represent the shows again and again, a huge kindergarten ideological fanatics and immature adults. Background Info: AntiVegan forum on the run ... Pos 202: Recall The texts cited here are from the old Internet forum of the website
www.antivegan.de . In this forum there were several thousand comments a Anna Lena, as many biographical information (almost the entire record of Anja Ramstöck) contained, that in this way Anja Ramstöck could be identified (
detailed documentation, see link list on donkey watch ). After disclosure of the identity of Anna Lena as Anja Ramstöck here at Promed.Watch, the old AntiVegan forum questions locked. See in this regard, the following comments from Promed.Watch
19/04/2010 ,
04/20/2010 and the
06/23/2010 .
On 23 June 2010 Promed.Watch reported that the old AntiVegan forum has now been incorporated in EsoWatch.com, accessible via the domain
http://antivegan.esowatch.com .
For insiders, this is an indirect confirmation of the Promed.Watch figures. The aim of the move was to control the content of the old treacherous AntiVegan Forum and to remove. The old forum was originally Axel W. Althaus from Hagen. The new forums will be controlled according to estimates by Promed.Watch Klaus Ramstöck. Klaus Ramstöck seems to see it that way, he heads to the treacherous domain antivegan.esowatch.com www.antiveganer.org but now the (in a short time) second new domain
/ forum . The Promed.Watch message to him was probably a little embarrassing. (Let's see, maybe after this report, the transfer is also set quite quickly.) The new move was completed anonymity technically sound. MediaOne but not a company in Singapore is used. Klaus Ramstöck has learned. The reference to Klaus Ramstöck is (presumably only for a short time) by diverting
the domain
http://antivegan.esowatch.com/ on
http://www.antiveganer.org/forum/ visible. Once this diversion is cut, Klaus Ramstöck obliterated all traces of his person - albeit much too late. The German judiciary has long been informed ...
Who is Bert Ehgartner? item 203: The is the website of the Austrian Medical Journalists Bert Ehgartner.
www.ehgartners.info Bert Ehgartner is known by numerous newspaper articles, TV spots, websites and books on topics such as vaccination, screening, pharmaceutical lobbying, etc. ... always from a critical perspective.
This link takes you to Bert EHGARTNER in April 2008 released book
Praise of disease as well as a book accompanying weblog
http://med.blogger.de/ , (June 2009) or
http://www.ehgartner.blogspot.com / (current). The Stuttgarter Zeitung
reviewed Praise of illness on 13 May 2008 with the words: "Is the man or comfort? The Vienna medical journalist Bert Ehgartner praises the disease. Yes, the man in their right mind and he has pretty good arguments. Viruses and bacteria, so Ehgartner Credo are necessary: you are training at a young age the body's defenses and protect us so in later life. They keep the immune system depends, to develop allergies and autoimmune diseases. And they allow adults to take a break from the often stressful everyday life and come to rest. But instead of intervening only when necessary, we move with military precision to diseases of all kinds to war: with vaccinations, fever-lowering drugs, antibiotics, hygiene and screening tests. Ehgartner writes in a committed and sometimes emotional style. He also sympathized with the anthroposophic and homeopathic medicine, which traditionally act cautiously. One may not agree with every sentence and not with any conclusion. But Ehgartner argued scientifically: the nearly 200 works that he cited are almost exclusively from the medical literature. "In Praise of the disease is therefore an uncomfortable book. It is your own views in question you really do not want to ask the question. But it does nothing to contradict Ehgartner falls hard. to refute him is impossible. "
The Rezesion praised aspects of this book, which of the figure varied so-called skeptics movement with great fanaticism and hatred are addressed. This shows again and again, the so-called skeptics (see Edgar wonder: The Skeptics syndrome , Wikipedia user fossa on GWUP and Skeptizismus.de ) any interest in an objective and supported by arguments you have. Their main motivation is personal attack dissidents to speak out publicly and to present demeaning. Exactly this goal is also the anonymous Internet EsoWatch.com pillory. In the Internet age, it turns out that many skeptics in their fanatical ideological confrontation and unfair, unfair cheap and criminal procedures or operate actively. Psychologically, this is an indication that they feel powerless and not in a position to participate in fair argumentative discussions. EsoWatch.com is a desperate attempt to gain at last hearing. replace Because anonymous insults and slander factual arguments and constructive discussions, not to convince people not in width and win, this attempt is doomed to failure. This is exactly what EsoWatch.com supporters - their remarkably low impact well - even angrier and more aggressive. Why blogged Bert Ehgartner at Science Blogs? item 204: The Weblog Praise of Kankheit "led Bert Ehgartner between May 2008 and 2008 Dezenmber
ScienceBlogs.de :
www.scienceblogs.de / lob-of-illness . The reason why Bert Ehgartner moved to Science Blogs, Science Blogs was the then-chief editor Beatrice Lugger
which Bert Ehgartner courted intensively for ScienceBlogs.de and won. Beatrice Lugger wanted for ScienceBlogs.de a diverse science communication with different trends and perspectives. Bert said Ehgartner in this regard as follows:
"I'm originally moved to ScienceBlogs, because I was wooed by the editorial staff intensive and me a great media environment has been promised to my recent book (" In Praise of disease ") to apply. This was sort of the "barter deal" because I never got my posts for a fee " (
source .
http://med.blogger.de/?day=20090421 , to comment
"a farewell to scienceblogs.de" scroll far down)
The first two blog posts with Bert Ehgartner Scienceblogs.de to have even by the then chief editor Beatrice Lugger edited as a writer: 1
"We have few alternatives" and 2
"That would have damaged the Impfgedanken" . In the following photo shows
Beatrice Lugger (center) next to the two science bloggers and supporters EsoWatch.com
Florian Freistetter and
Tobias Maier :
http://www.flickr .com/photos/16187227 @ N08/2575423451 / Summer 2008: Personnel changes in the ScienceBlogs.de editorial line. Marc Scheloske are the "skeptics". Pos 205: leaves in summer 2008
Beatrice Lugger ScienceBlogs.de. New editor is Marc
Scheloske . The talented online journalist is close to the
skeptics movement . Under his aegis ScienceBlogs.de systematically infiltrated by supporters of the Skeptics Association
GWUP eV and for political, ideological and agitational purposes, exploited and abused.
In terms of ideological activities Scheloske Marc operates largely in the background, However, in crucial situations pulls the strings. It shall ensure in particular that aggressive agitation has, for example, by Ulrich Berger, Florian Stetter, and other free science bloggers are no consequences. In the opinion of Marc Scheloske Promed.Watch holds its free-skeptic friends back and external criticism can not return. Said Marc Scheloske example, aware that Ulrich Berger and Florian Stetter free link in their blogroll at science blogs on the EsoBlog against the authors and managers by the prosecution Landau, Rheinland-Pfalz
investigations of criminal offenses run .
The screenshot can be enlarged by clicking on 100%: Summer 2008: EsoWatch.com and its network launch systematic harassment against Bert Ehgartner Pos 206: begins in the summer of 2008 for Internet relationships are significant and massive psychological campaign against the journalist Bert Ehgartner. Promed.Watch presumed that the author EsoWatch.com Wiki
Deceptor (
one of the co-founder of EsoWatch.com and probably a member of the skeptics-scene Berlin with contacts to GWUP and Prof. Martin Lambeck ) and
Anja Ramstöck the initiators of this campaign. Following a comment by Bert
Ehgartner of Wolfgang Maurer (see note below) on the blog by Ulrich Berger, Wolfgang Maurer also came in as a possible driving force of the concerted bullying issue.
only in passing: Deceptor - one of the hardest-working editors and informers in EsoWatch.com - has its activities
end of May 2010 set . Edits under a new pseudonym have not been noticed.
Deceptor inserted into the wiki before EsoWatch.com Deceptor laid the following
EsoWatch.com Wiki article on Bert to Ehgartner . The local statement
"One was at Ehgartner scienceblogs.de operated blog called praise of the disease, closed after protests by the operators in December 2008." is somewhat insidious. First, explain and document EsoWatch.com not see why a statement by Ehgartner is said to be wrong. (
causes of the dispute were a number of critical reports Ehgartner, which dealt with the problems of aluminum-containing adjuvants in vaccines. ) Furthermore Visitors were no protests, the operator and, instead, a systematic and unfair or bullying, which led
Marc Scheloske (from the perspective of this blog as accomplices of the bullies!) to the exclusion of Bert Ehgartner. Scheloske Marc would have been against the operators ScienceBlogs.de quite loose much for Bert Ehgartner can make - did not And last ScienceBlogs.de should be closed when disputes about qualifying or unauthorized statements to the exclusion of a blogger would be punished..
made publicly available such as free
Florian Stetter Linked here discrediting the false report of alleged esoteric Machinations of the European University Viadrina, adding only added at the insistence of journalists
Claus Fritzsche a bug report. (
Ulrich Berger this blog post flanked by a primitive urgent letter the Viadrina and embarrassed himself there with a non-self-researched hoax. agitation pure! ) According to Fritzsche Florian Freistetter had before his report no contact with the European University Viadrina Date to verfizieren abwertenden his statements in the run. In addition, according to Fritzsche Freistetter employed in the run even with the controversial "Energy Medicine" available scientific literature (eg, James L.
Oschman ). He is quite simply down his Pavlovian reflexes and let his prejudices and hatred feelings.
Especially with the ideological references ScieceBlogs.de is teeming mischief, half-knowledge and false statements. Creating dignity Marc Scheloske here the standards he has set for Bert Ehgartner, he would have at least 70% of bloggers - including his own person - to toss out ScienceBlogs.de. The EsoWatch blog (probably Anja Ramstöck) shall, in accordance On 30 July 2008 there is, in EsoWatch Blog (This is the one blog, link to the
Ulrich Berger and Florian Freistetter at ScienceBlogs.de in their blogroll and by its editors and authors, the German Justice criminal investigation), heading
networks of cheaters today, Bert Ehgartner : "About Bert Ehgartner, self-appointed medical journalist who has always apparently only one thing in mind, namely to swim to the greatest possible publicity wave without regard to scientific knowledge, we have already been reported. When he made his opposing immunization are problems that the nonsense only a minority believed that he is somewhat changed sides, has become a great perspective and now writes cynical books where it does not matter if you are sick or healthy. Praise of the disease, etc. What Ehgartner now shows his real talent as a flag waving in the wind as Verarsche science . Probably duchgeknallteste opposing vaccination Germany, the dairy manager Hans Tolzin, Mun-sectarian, Scientologenfreund and of course supporters of the "Germanic New Medicine" is the same "6 Stuttgart Impfsymposium occur. course anthroposophists are ("Children are dying, good for karma) in the form of Dr. Michaela Gloeckler too. There are people who set up the new records in deep dive into cesspools if the bills are reason enough. Ehgartner seems to be a prototype. " The comment ...
(written In the opinion of Promed.Watch probably Anja Ramstöck . Theoretically come Klaus Ramstöck [ in EsoWatch blog probably commentator: "thomas" ] and Aribert Deckers [ in EsoWatch blog probably commentator: "cohen" ] considered) .... speaks for itself alone stylistically and it requires little imagination to understand why it is here a) not about science (and, instead, about ideology, dogmatism and hate) about and why b) the German judicial system is now against the authors (Wiki, Blog , Forum of EsoWatch.com) under investigation for criminal offenses. For particularly serious cases of
Slander § 186 The law provides for imprisonment up to two years before. For serious cases of
§ 187 defamation law provides for the prior prison sentences of up to five years. In the case EsoWatch.com (wiki, blog, forum) can safely be assumed by a specific gravity of the crimes, because there are up to 1,000 people affected and the insults are ranked high on Google.
Since Ulrich Berger and Florian Freistetter with your link through to EsoWatch.com blog for this kind of linguistic style and the "intellectual" engagement advertising, they would have operated at any reputable bloggers with journalistic platform claim immediately excluded be. Marc Scheloske however ensures that his skeptical friends may remain with ScienceBlogs.de. . cyber-bullying at ScienceBlogs.de: hundreds of hateful comments in the old ScienceBlogs.de blog by Bert Ehgartner Pos 207: After the submission of
Deceptor and (very likely)
Anja Ramstöck began a hateful bullying campaign, in the opinion of this blog from various EsoWatch.com protagonists in the community and EsoWatch.com EsoWatch.com-friends at ScienceBlogs (in Germany and the U.S.) carried wrude. Bert Ehgartner writes in his blog:
"For several months, this blog is at" scienceblogs.de "run. Finally it came there to a wild witch-hunt against me, even some involved in the American science-blogger. This was triggered by a number of critical reports which dealt with the problems of aluminum-containing adjuvants in vaccines. The editorial line there is apparently under massive pressure, but not so overly critical line to take. In addition, most authors understand there as a kind of esoteric Ghost Buster. A considerable part of the articles dealt with accordingly hunting on esoteric intrigues, homeopathy, TCM, etc. Also "of vaccination" is in this sense as highly suspicious. Wherever such machinations are presumed to be purely driven simultaneously with the fire of righteousness for the pure scientific void against all temptations to preserve. ... Finally, when the campaign with hundreds of hate-filled comments in December 2008 reached its climax, I could not find the time and felt less and less desire to defend myself against this flood of accusations, which came mostly from people who have quasi-tenured jobs and may waste their time with impunity for their seemingly aggressive private campaign. After the line came from scienceblogs.de even targeting this pressure group and always has been massive criticism, they get it something to do with fear " (
source. http:/ / med.blogger.de /? day = 20090421 , scroll to the comment "a farewell to scienceblogs.de" far down)
a release (of several) for the smear campaign was the article "aluminum from vaccines must go!" or the interview published here with the former employees of the vaccine for safety the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut Paul Hartmann . The Group of vaccination fanatics (Dr. Wolfgang Maurer and friends of EsoWatch.com) were applied over the interview and said Hartmann from the expert status. The fact is that SPIEGEL Klaus Hartmann here as experts interviewed . The published here CV of Klaus Hartmann suggests that it is he is an expert. Ulrich Berger and Wolfgang Maurer together against Bert Ehgartner Pos 208: Just a week after (!!!)
Deceptor the
Esowatch article about Bert Ehgartner published (mobbing-technically perfect timing, tuned to EsoWatch.com) of the Austrian Impfexperte
Dr. Wolfgang Maurer writes on 07.08.2008 in the blog of
Ulrich Berger a derogatory review of the book "In Praise of the disease" by Bert Ehgartner:
praise of the disease? science flops in the science blogs. go on this link to the review by Dr. Wolfgang Maurer ... Observant readers comes first here at once that Dr. Wolfgang Maurer in his introduction to Ulrich Berger exactly those human derogatory asides (such as the vaccine critics
Hans Tolzin ) fits,
which are also found in EsoWatch Blog . (
Wolfgang Maurer writes in Ulrich Berger (ScienceBlogs.de): "..." of vaccination, "and learned dairy farmer Hans Tolzin .." EsoWatch.com writes the blog: ".. . Probably duchgeknallteste opposing vaccination, Germany, the dairy manager Hans Tolzin ...". ) It is a typical behavior patterns of the team EsoWatch.com, fine pictures to abuse by distorting representations and personal attacks. From the organization of programmers, journalists and publishers Hans Tolzin becomes the "me" host because Tolzin dairy business administrator was 30 years ago and once because it can tap into that definition, the maximum abuse potential.
signed As mentioned above, Dr. Wolfgang Maurer Impfinformationen.de under an extremely
strange (!) Call in favor of EsoWatch.com , has since been deleted.
From the perspective This blog is a big part of the core team EsoWatch.com from the environment of Impfinformationen.de . It is a tributary of the skeptics movement, dedicated to the vaccine fanaticism. The theme of "seeding" effect for this group as a projection to automate internal conflict, frustration and hatred in a diffuse enemy. is textually and technically it is the remarks by Mr. Maurer is a (formulated friendly) rustic view that reflected his personal opinion and in 2010 can be considered somewhat outdated. Medical students learn today in the basic studies that infectious diseases do not only with infections but also correlate with the strength or weakness of the immune system. That means: If you have a strong immune system that is less vulnerable to infections. Measures to strengthen the immune system have as their justification. It may not always be some chemicals.
is pure style of the masonry items on Ulrichsberger a vulgar opinion full of personal attacks, which flanks the EsoWatch.com-bullying campaign against Bert Ehgarnter promptly. Under the abusive review by Dr. Wolfgang Maurer, by the way a highly informative commentary, in which Bert Ehgartner information about is its long-term contact with Mr. Maurer: "I know Wolfgang Maurer for more than ten years. I know the arguments that Wolfgang does here, because he repeated continuously for about three months in which he frequented forums. I have repeatedly responded to the accusations and arguments made. He repeated nevertheless unchanged. I conclude that Wolfgang is not in the least a dialogue with me, but about propaganda. For this reason I am writing here not to the author of this guest commentary, but to the reader ... His publication in PubMed density is to say the least manageable. Maybe also because his real passion of Impfaufklärung in various public forums apply. Here he feared as a hardliner, who nipped in the bud any of vaccination views. He is also loved by mothers and fathers facing the vaccination plan is too complicated - or who want to know whether you drowsy and slightly feverish and can immunize children simultaneously against seven diseases. Wolfgang's answer is usually: no problem, of course, " Source: Read the full replica of Bert Ehgartner here ... The comments from Bert Ehgartner talk for the opportunity that was Wolfgang Maurer (next Deceptor and Anja Ramstöck) is another driving force of the whole bullying campaign. As mentioned sitting Wolfgang Maurer and Anja Ramstöck at Impfinformationen.de in the same boat. And Anja Ramstöck sits together with Klaus Ramstöck at EsoWatch.com in the same boat. The fanatical skeptics and physician David H. Gorski aka Orac supports EsoWatch.com at ScienceBlogs.com (USA) item 209: The EsoWatch.com-
campaign against Bert Ehgartner ( and Peter Artmann) is in November and December 2008, extended to the platform ScienceBlogs.com (USA). Here the fanatical skeptics and doctor
David H. Gorski is known
Orac - so to speak, the complementary counterpart of the vaccine fanatics Wolfgang Maurer - EsoWatch.com as helper. Blogger Orac has published two articles in order of ScienceBlogs.com pressure on the leadership exercised by Scienceblogs.de (which is mentioned in passing seems to be not particularly difficult, as Marc Scheloske - according to this blog - the whole group is ideologically close):
30.11.2008: Is there an antivaccinationist on ScienceBlogs.de? Help me figure it out, my German-speaking readers! 02.12.2008: "Germany, we have a problem ..." Or: Should anything be done about two bad apples on the tree of pseudo-science of ScienceBlogs.de? If you look at the comments under the post-Orac of 01.12.2008, as evident at first glance who has the concerted harassment against Bert Ehgartner involved (in cooperation on the initiative of EsoWatch.com):
commentator No. 1 Klaus Ramstöck alias Thomas Xavier (EsoWatch.com) : [
Note that the slippery slope argument works both ways: If Artmann and Ehgartner are allowed to write for science blogs, why not holocaust deniers? After all, they have "scientific" meetings (in Teheran). ]
Kommentator Nr. 5 ist Florian Freistetter alias florian (ScienceBlogs.de) : [
"Note also how Ehgartner refers to the changes in the brain that this study found in boys with ADHD as "brain damage." I don't know if that's a mistranslation or not, but it sure doesn't sound good." The german word he used was "Hirnschädigungen" which indeed translates "brain damage". ]
Kommentator No. 9 is Ulrich Berger alias Ulrich (ScienceBlogs.de) : [
Fortunately, the aluminum-ADHD puzzle has been solved now. http://www.scienceblogs.de/kritisch-gedacht/2008/12/aluminium-adhs.php ]
commentator No. 12 is probably Wolfgang Maurer alias Wolfgang (EsoWatch.com ) : expert on the scene are skeptics in the comments section more interesting and joyful agitation names: for B.
Lars Fischer (SciLogs.de).
learn what we of the would-be scientists, with the exception of Dr. Wolfgang Maurer all professional (medical) lay people? IT freelancers and programmers Klaus Ramstöck alias Xavier Thomas lets us know that if Ehgartner Artmann and other publications be allowed in ScienceBlogs.de, so must also allow Holocaust deniers as authors. And perhaps this will then meeting in Tehran, says Klaus Ramstöck. Astronomer
Florian Freistetter can not afford a professional contribution to the discussion. Holds them but not stop them anyway mitzuplappern a little bit. Mathematicians also
Ulrich Berger has no adequate qualifications, which would allow him to participate in a discussion supported by technical expertise. He solves this problem as ever by linking to a separate essay in which he lay people (an audience not read his blog) lulls with scientific-sounding language fog.
Christian Reinboth (ScienceBlogs.de) seems the only commentator to be the half-way right mind and in Comment 14 , the crucial questions. However, he is skeptical enough to participate in this discussion - take part - which is a farce.
According to the informant who has researched the documentation and Promed.Watch zusammgestellt, took part in the race against Bert Ehgartner at ScienceBlogs.com (USA) Total Klaus, Anja Ramstöck, Ulrich Berger, Florian Stetter free, Ludmila Carone , Tobias Maier , Ariba Ali, Wolfgang Maurer, Aribert Deckers and Catherina Becker . IMPORTANT NOTE: Promed.Watch has found in its examination of research data, not all of the latter name, the source believes it would be highly trustworthy. both with and without the last-mentioned document name No. 14 suggests that it technically agitation is a close cooperation between ScienceBlogs.de and EsoWatch.com. chief ideologue and dishonest broker: Marc Scheloske is Bert Ehgartner with specious reasoning to the door and crowns the bullying campaign Item 210: What ScienceBlogs.de-Chief editor
Marc Scheloske then on 3 December 2008 writes is absolutely amazing. Bert Ehgartner wrote on 28/11/2008:
"A Manifesto in which 13 scientists publicly the revaluation of the recommendation for the HPV vaccine demand, provides excitement. But not only the effectiveness of the vaccine is questionable. Their safety. I spoke about at the beginning of the Wiesbaden Impfexperten Klaus Hartmann. " Ehgartner points out that there are two different reasons, criticism of the HPV vaccine. On the one hand, he quotes a manifesto of 13 scientists, which was also signed by GWUP-Mitlgied and avowed skeptic Prof. Jürgen Windeler ... and thus is virtually sacred to skeptics should not be criticized. In addition, it can
Klaus Hartmann, a former employee of the responsible for vaccine safety Paul-Ehrlich-Institut (here
in an interview with SPIEGEL , here again are
CV) with the following statement to say:
"The HPV vaccine has been tested against a drug that can make the same side effects . This is a very questionable approach and it is beyond me why the ethics committees have approved. The aluminum-containing adjuvants have recently been enormous in the discussion. So far, only retrospectively derived their safety, because even millions of doses have been inoculated and there really nothing happened. That's not true. It is known that these agents in certain people, here the receptive are trigger autoimmune reactions. This was also confirmed in animal experiments. They can also damage the nervous system, because aluminum has neurotoxic potential. You know who it is not currently true. " And Marc has Scheloske against this background (there is nothing here to complain but nothing at all) the chutzpah to give the following soap opera. He writes on 3 December 2008: "The last few days were very turbulent. From various criticisms of individual blog articles on Scienceblogs.de and the respective authors was loud. And some critics even went so far to the thesis that all science blogs-portal may be a forum of pseudoscience and quackery ... starting point for the discussions was this blog post by Bert Ehgartner. In the comments was - quite right! - Claimed that this was possibly confuses the legitimate criticism of the HPV vaccine to the question of the supposedly harmful effects of aluminum salts as adjuvant in vaccines. As I said the criticism was justified in the comments. What was annoying: Bert Ehgartner was (initially) the evidence of such a link guilty. We had estimated Bert Ehgartner as a blogger on ScienceBlogs, which is quite critical of certain aspects of the medical system had dealt. However, as any science blogger - despite his previous achievements - with each new blog a duty to carefully and honestly to argue. This requirement has not been fulfilled Bert on all fronts ... We had been talking with Bert searched Ehgartner, who on Monday also subsequently files a justifying items. However, it did our doubts are not really clear up and we have decided to close the blog "In Praise of the disease," " To make it short. who are a little bit familiar with the skeptical movement, who knows that words as "pseudo science" and "quackery" skeptics are pure slang. It is meaningless phrases that are advanced in ideological disputes, in order not to have to deal with arguments.
The justification of Marc Scheloske makes logically makes no sense: Bert Ehgarnter has not - as claimed by Scheloske and Wolfgang Maurer - two aspects in which their meaning associated (caused the manifesto of the 13 researchers with the criticism of intolerance by aluminum-containing adjuvants). Bert Ehgartner originally wrote:
"But not only the effectiveness of the vaccine is questionable. Their safety. " He uses two arguments additive and not make modifications linked. He seems to be the nerve of the vaccine fanatic Wolfgang Maurer taken.
Wolfgang Maurer considers appropriate additives for concern. Klaus Hartmann it considers objectionable. circus event of Marc Scheloske: on a blogger platform with a scientific claim this dispute could be an opportunity for constructive discussion of adult humans. In a discussion could replace the followers of the respective hypotheses their views argumentative. The fanatical skeptic blogger for ScienceBlogs.de make of it, however, together with EsoWatch.com (that Internet stocks against its authors and leaders, the German Justice criminal investigation and that criminal Internet project for Ulrich Berger and Florian Stetter free to advertise ) a witch hunt. And Marc Scheloske crowns the whole circus event, by: (no completely self Impfexperte and with the professional assessment of the controversy over calls) Bert Ehgartner throws out at ScienceBlogs.de. How low can people sink ... dignity Marc Scheloske all bloggers from ScienceBlogs because of such a far-fetched critical point of the portal, it would have set ScienceBlogs.de its operation. The arguments by Marc Scheloske are advanced into reality. From the perspective of this blog is
Marc Scheloske active member of the skeptics movement and is characterized by that
ideological and fanatical behavior , which describes the Heidelberg Sociology Edgar wonders in his article
"The skeptics syndrome . Bert Ehgartner was already fair game because he does not fit into the strict domates ideological grid of Marc Scheloske and skeptics consider their own view of dissent as a high hazard and therefore fanatical fight.
hidden behind this behavior is the very end deep insecurity, fear and a "lean" intellectual horizon. In the opinion of Promed.Watch acted and acts Marc Scheloske part as accomplices of EsoWatch.com , a criminal, dishonest and ethically to be rejected Internet project developed by small minds. Finally, on this point, the circle. See: "power to the champagne," the top item on 200th Anja Ramstöck alias Anna Lena rejoices ... Links: GWUP.WATCH: ideology and propaganda in science blogs. Florian Stetter + free Lars Fischer: homeopathy at the University of Magdeburg. H. Blog: Marc and the snake pit Scheloske ScienceBlogs: Cyber-bullying, agitation and militant fanatics "skeptics." .
